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As to the single elimination. The letter about the tournament said it would be restricted to the first 10 teams whose checks were received. However several checks came in the mail on the same day. How do you decide who to let in? If there are more than 12 wrestlers in a 16 man bracket in a one day tournament and it's double elimination then some wrestlers could end up with six matches in a single day which is illegal. Thus their only option was to make the first round single elimination or limit it to 12 entries per weight class. How would you have felt if your coach returned from the seeding meeting and said "Sorry all your running and watching your diet this week was for nothing. The bracket was up to 12 and they couldn't let you in?"
By making the rounds single elimination the tournament could also let second string wrestlers participate. As the coach of 2 second string kids who made the semifinals I was glad of that. I was in no way involved in running the tournament in question simply a coach who took a team there. My team did not win the event. I just wanted to point out another view and let you know of some of the reasoning involved.
I also attended another event this year where we had to decide at about 12:15 AM the next morning to flip a coin for 3rd and 4th places because it would have been a 6th match for some of the wrestlers. Thankfully the tournament this past Saturday was over at 9:00 PM.
Hopefully this will clear up some hard feelings
Don't get bummed out - keep wrestling!
January 11, 2000
From: The Best in The State
comments: Good Luck to South as they travel to Fairmont for the Winner's Choice. This is such a
great opportunity to showcase to the rest of the state FINALLY. State is 46 days away.
January 11, 2000
From: Wellsburg wrestler
comments: Thanx Brent Sams for the nice reply on Wellsburg Middle School. We are a smaller team
with many first year kids. Most of them are pretty good. Jon Jon McFarland is 15-2 I think is
pretty good. He wrestles 92 and is very good. Tommarrow he will wrestle Brian Humpharys from
Warwood. Well thanks for the nice complaiment and I look farward to here about some more form
you. Thanx
Matt Smith
January 11, 2000
From: curious
comments: What teams participate in the Top Gun tournament in Alliance Ohio
January 11, 2000
From: tapout
comments: Congrats to Matt Stevens and Matt George on there wins at
St. Edwards its obvious why there #1 in the nation. SOLID TEAM
start to finish!
January 10, 2000
From: MIKE NOGAY
comments: I want to address the Jan.10 post regarding the Preston Mat Club Tournament. I
brought my sons down from the Northern Panhandle and felt that the competion was the BEST we
have seen and we primarily wrestle in Western Pennsylvania which is considered top notch. With
the demise of the Parkersburg Cougar Classic this will become the top open youth meet in WV.
Could they have used another 2 mats or so--yes--but how can one anticipate 100 more entries
than the previous year? I saw several kids who did not win trophies proudly wearing their
participation award--a cool "dog tag"-- a nice touch from a supposedly "money hungry"
tournament committee. As for the comments that kids should not have been allowed to change
weight at weigh-ins SHAME ON YOU. The little kids give up their entire Saturday and you want
them to watch their calories when they are 10 years old? If a young boy is hungry the night
before the tournament should he go to bed that way because his mom or dad sent in the form 3 weeks earlier not knowing if he would hit a growth spurt? In fact I think
this web site should go so far as to refuse to post YOUTH tournaments that do not allow weight
changes on the morning of weigh ins. In sum thanks Dr. Miller and all the Preston Co.
volunteers for giving up YOUR time for our kids.
Editor's note: Thanks, Mr Nogay, for your kind words. As many readers know, I am the tournament director
for the Preston Mat Club tournament to which you refer.
I should point out that the post further down the page to which you refer may refer to the Preston Tournament, or it may refer to another HS or JR High tournament which was held in the tri-state area this weekend. I deleted the name of the tournament, but did post the comments as there are some significant points raised.
I'd like to thank all the coaches, parents, and wrestlers who attended our tournament. We had our share of problems I readily admit - notably that we didn't get finished until 10:45 PM. I agree that is much too late. We have never before run past 7:30 PM, and usually finish before that. We do try to make this a user friendly tournament by taking call-ins, walk-ins, and weight changes. Several complained about accepting walkin's - that had we not done this, the tournament would have been smaller and we would have finished earlier. That is true; however, in order to get quality brackets, you need numbers. We started the day with 453 kids on bracket, and ended the day with 481. This is the first time our walk-in's exceeded the scratches. Very few scratched from the tournament. Usually our tournament takes place in a blizzard and there are significant scratches. Saturday, we benefitted by (or were victims of) good weather.
We try to learn from our shortcomings and improve the tournament every year. One option for next year is this: We could use our auxiliary gym directly adjacent to the main gym, and expand to 6 or 7 mats. We used only 4 mats in the main gym last Saturday. We could have added a 5th in the main gym, and we could put one or two additional mats in the auxiliary gym.
I have head that some tournaments will spread out into auxiliary gyms, and even stages and everywhere else. I would need to figure out how to utilize the auxiliary gym. Seating is limited in the aux gym. Maybe we could run the 5-6 year olds in the aux gym on 2 mats in the AM, and the 13-15 year olds in the aux gym in the afternoon? If we did that I anticipate complaints from parents and coaches if they have 2 kids wrestling in 2 differernt gyms. Also, if one gym finishes before the other, then for efficiency sake we should have remaining matches take place in either gym. This will cause a crowd control problem. We could run both gyms and all wrestlers take the next available mat throughout the tournament in either the main or aux gym -- but then there would be continuous shuffling of the crowd from one gym to another and crowd control will be even worse. If we run 2 gyms and take the next available mat, then I need to figure out how to get wrestlers on-deck. In one gym, we keep on-deck matches hanging on the bout-slip tree to signal to the announcer and escorts which mats need on-deck wrestlers. If the announcer cannot view all the mats, he will have problems knowing which mat needs wrestlers. Has anyone been to such tournaments? How would be the best way to do this?
Anyway, thanks again Mr Nogay four your encouraging words. To tell you the truth I was just about ready to chuck the whole thing. But now, maybe we will just try to figure out how to improve for next year...
January 10, 2000
From: riverside fan
comments: I would like for everyone to know Matt Simmons is back in wrestling after missing
last season with a leg injury. He told me that he is a little rusty right now. Also at the
Nitro tournament he gave Jared Walters (state champ at 130 a year ago) of Cabell Midland all he
wanted for three rounds. They went back and forth. Walters won the match by points. Simmons
wrestled 130 at Nitro but is planning on wreslting 125 at Fairmont next weekend. Matt has been
fighting the injury bug. He should be all healed up for next weekend though. Check out this
article on him that was in the paper.
http://www.dailymail.com/display_story.php3?sid=2000010824
January 10, 2000
From: Leah
comments: Congratulations to the Stanley brothers. All three are doing very well this season.
JP Justin and Jacob are undefeated this year. Good luck boys!
January 10, 2000
From: a fan
comments: What's up with Parkersburg HS? Everytime I check out their results they list
several forfeits. Early on I figured that the wrestlers who played football were needing some
extra practices to be eligible or were attempting to make weight. But I still see results from
early January that indicate forfeits in the same weight classes. Making weight or eligibility
should have been settled by now.
Hope all is well in Parkersburg. A strong team at PHS helps the region as well.
January 10, 2000
From: Old Coach
comments: Congratulations to 155 lb. wrestler Doug Sillex of Harpers Ferry who put on a rather
amazing performance at the Buckhannon-Upshur Duals tournament on Jan. 8. Doug an 8th grader
went 5-0 with three pins in officially recorded times of 5 seconds 7 seconds and 7 seconds.
Doug is 23-2 for the season in his first year as a starter.
January 10, 2000
From: wrestling fan
comments: I attended the JCI this past weekend and would like to say congratulations to the
Independence Patriots for winning the team title. They really turned some heads by defeating
Williamstown Ritchie Ravenswood and other strong teams. Good luck Patriots next week at
Braxton County.
January 10, 2000
From: Eagle Fan
comments: Congratulations to Anthony Regalbuto for being named most outstanding wrestler at
this weekends Jefferson Invitational.You are definitely pound for pound the best wrestler on
the east coast.TAKE IT !!!!
January 9, 2000
From: Tiger Fan
comments: To SOUTH WRESTLING FAN: Several points of interest from Harpers Ferry wrestling. Yes, we have five overnight trips this year and travel about 3000 miles. We pay for virtually everything except for tournament entry fees which come from our athletic department. (We've got booster parents like you wouldn't believe because otherwise we wouldn't even have wrestling program at our school.) You wanted to know our schedule. Here it is: (As of Jan. 8 the team is 25-0 with an average score of 63-17 over each of its 25 opponents.)
Dec. 10-11: Independence BNI Duals (9-0 record 2 weigh-ins)
Dec. 17-18: Sherrard Duals (8-0 2 weigh-ins)
Dec. 29: McKinley Duals (four teams total 3-0 1 weigh-in)
Jan. 8: Buckhannon-Upshur Duals (5-0 2 weigh-ins)
Jan. 11: Charles Town Jr. High (home) (1 match 1 weigh-in)
Jan. 15: Spencer Duals (4 duals 2 weigh-ins)
Feb. 1: Charles Town Jr. High (away) (1 match 1 weigh-in)
Feb. 3: Harpers Ferry Tri (home) (2 matches 1 weigh-in)
Feb. 11-12: Harpers Ferry Duals Invitational (10 matches 2 weigh-ins)
Note: Because we have an extensive "B" squad we constantly juggle our starting 7th and 8th grade wrestlers in matches or tournaments where they are not needed; this gives our back-ups a chance to get quality wrestling time regardless of the outcome of their matches. The team is constantly planning ahead about when a wrestler will be needed and when he can sit out matches or tournaments. The team has already used 17 different line-ups. We know what you are thinking and no we won't go over 14 individual weigh-ins with any of our wrestlers. Come watch us. We're not too bad a team.
January 9, 2000
From: Eagle Fan
comments: Congratulations to all of the Hedgesville placefinishers in this weekends Jefferson
Invitational. Fairmont Sr. beat Hedgesville teamwise however Hedgesville had 6 first place
finishers. Kevin Ballam (103) Dustin Bowers (119) Danny Lord (125) Jimmy Shetler (130)
Brian Moats (140) and Anthony Regalbuto (145). Congratulations to Anthony Regalbuto for being
named most outstanding wrestler! We'll see you Polar Bears next weekend!
January 9, 2000
comments: Note for the Forum
Three members of the Ravenswood Red Devil wrestling team remained undefeated while winning
individual titles in the 26th annual Jackson County Invitational Tournament held in Ripley this
year (Jan. 7-8). Winning titles in the 18 team tournament were 112-Ash Gandee (22-0) 145-Adam
Schindler (18-0) and 171-Jeremy Nester (22-0).
January 9, 2000
From: BULLDOG
comments: TO: SOUTH WRESTLING FAN
I like your style ! A jr. high or middle school can go up or down in quality of
program by the moving on of one talented age group of wrestlers from one season to the next.
Independence Jr. High is a good example. The loss of Blake Johns Sexton Greene Rhodes
Barnette ect. to Independence High School have them rebuilding this season. I wonder which is
tougher to beat last years teams who may have lost the bulk of their talent or this years
contenders who truely exist and who's team members are together right now. Hmmm..........
January 9, 2000
From: Jonathan McFarland
email: seminolestate@yahoo.com
comments: Watch out all you 80-83lbs wrestlers from the Wheeling Area. Matt Smith from
Wellsburg Middle School just won his 3rd tourney of the season. With a record of 17-0.
Congratulations Matt. Thank you Brent Sams on the nice comment you made on Wellsburg Middle
School. We have 5 open weight classes in the upper weights. But we still manage to do well.
January 9, 2000
From: Ed
email: efields@weir.net
comments: Ref summer camps
Rule 127-3-7 (SSAC rule book)
7.2 A coach or surrogate may not be present as an observer lecture participant staff member
or in any capacity at any summer camp where the number of his athletes exceeds fifty percent of
the number of persons designated as the starting lineup. Nor may a school or related
organization be involved in fund raising projects to subsidize student attendance at or in
camps.
January 9, 2000
Where is Jenny Sullivan at? We miss her!
January 9, 2000
From: K Frerichs
email: luvtobeno1@aol.com
comments: I think the match to see at 103 will be Easter (Nitro) and Smith (Ripley). Both are
well trained and spend most of the year doing nothing but wrestling. Many times at the same
camps. (I.E. Chertow's & Jordon's) As long as both make weight and stay healthy and as long as
the brackets fall properly I see this as the 103 championship match. Either one will be more
than deserving as both are very hard workers as well as good kids.
January 8, 2000
From: SOUTH WRESTLING FAN
comments: I APOLOGIZE IF THERE WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING ON MY ARTICLE ABOUT MIDDLE SCHOOLS/JUNIOR
HIGH SCHOOLS. I STRONGLY AGREE THAT THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO MY POINT WAS
TO SIMPLY ELIMINATE THE CONTROVERSY ABOUT HOW UNFAIR IT IS TO HAVE TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF
PROGRAMS COMPETING TOGETHER. I READ IT ON THE INTERNET AND HERE IT FROM INDIVIDUALS
THEMSELVES. WE SHOULD ALL SIT DOWN AND WRITE OUR CONGRESSMAN OR BOARD OF EDUCATION(WHO EVER IT
MAYBE THAT CAN HELP US GET THE SAME PROGRAM STATEWIDE) UNTIL THEN I DONT THINK WE SHOULD LIVE
IN A "WHAT-IF" WORLD.
TO: TIGER FAN: TO RESPOND TO THE ARTICLE ABOUT BLENNERHASSETT NOT BEING IN THE WSAZ LAST YEAR? I LOOKED INTO IT AND THIS YEAR IS THE FIRST YEAR WOOD COUNTY SCHOOL SYSTEM HAS LET THEM GO OUT OF THE COUNTY TO COMPETE IN ANY ATHLETIC EVENT. AND THEY LIMITED IT TO JUST "ONE" OUT OF COUNTY EVENT. AND SINCE THE WSAZ IS THE TOURNAMENT THAT BRINGS IN THE COMPETITION I FIGURE THEY"LL USE THEIR "ONE" TRIP TO VISIT COACH ARCHER AND HIS CLASS ACT TOURNAMENT. WHO KNOWS COACH OLDHAM JUST MIGHT GIVE THEM A VISIT. P.S. CAN YOU POST HARPERS FERRY'S SCHEDULE? IM STILL CURIOUS.
January 8, 2000
From: whs wrestling fan
comments: evryone watch out for ash wenmoth from williamstown this year hes lookin real good
and also will westbrook when he returns he should do very well. also i would like to comment on
williamstowns j/h team they are lookin pretty good even though there loosin alot of points from
forfeits.
January 8, 2000
From: Calhoun Fan
comments: Calhoun guys are looking great this year. Have a fine looking team. Keep it up guys.
January 8, 2000
comments: To: Terrible
I can tell that you are an educated person. The proper usage would be waste not waist; since
a waist is a part of the body and waste is what you do to my oxygen supply
January 8, 2000
From: flying eagle
comments: Beckley stratton has on of the best coaches in jr high coach dale stafford took over
for coach sarrett while he was battling cancer so hats off to dale stafford
January 7, 2000
comments: Nitro Tournament Article
http://www.wvgazette.com/news/Sports/2000010745/
January 7, 2000
From: Tiger Fan
comments: To South Wrestling Fan:
You urged Harpers Ferry to compete in the WSAZ tournament to determine the best junior
high/middle school teams in the state. But you also said that head-to-head competition also
determines the better team. Harpers Ferry chose to wrestle only duals this year (43) and no
bracket tournaments. It's just a preference; they are not ducking anyone. Also I see that
Blennerhasset did not enter the tournament last year. Were they ducking anyone? I doubt it.
There are a lot of good teams that cannot compete in the tournament for lots of reasons and
for Harpers Ferry it couldn't be fit in their schedule.
One last thought. This season Harpers Ferry (20-0 overall) is 7-0 over the top four finishers from the 1999 WSAZ and 11-0 over the top nine finishers from last year. Hmmm.
January 7, 2000
comments: The teams at Cameron this weekend are Magnolia Tyler Consolidated Clay Battelle
Grafton Wahama Berkeley Springs South Side Beaver PA. and Cameron.
January 7, 2000
comments: To Wrestling Fan. Felix is wrestling for Blennerhasset Jr. High.
January 7, 2000
From: Terrible
comments: This mat-page has gone down hill. Who cares about matmaids middle school teams. AA
vs. AAA. This is all a bunch of junk. This page should be used to congratulate wrestlers (not
put down others) and give valuable information. We should post tournaments and if there are
teams that need a place to wrestle. I have gotten to the point were I dont even want to read
anything on the forum because it is a waist of my time.
So why dont you think of what your saying before you say it and think of others when you talk
about this irrelevant junk.
Thanks
January 7, 2000
From: Mankind
comments: I am looking forward to seeing Bonecutter and the rest of the point pleasant team at
the J C I this weekend. i here they are looking good this year.
January 7, 2000
From: wrestling fan
comments: Does anyone know what Jr High Felix OsunaCotta wrestles for?
January 7, 2000
From: a south matmaid
comments: To Sean: I really appreciate your comment from the 6th of January concerning
Matmaids. Thank you.
By the way I would just like to say State competition is going to be AWESOME!! Good Luck to
Clint Radcliff Mike Bosley Jeremy Layner Nathan Pickens Casey and Chris Daggett!! I think
there is a good chance for these boys to place in the top three if not champs!
January 7, 2000
From: Eagle Fan
comments: Good Luck to all wrestlers participating in this weekends Jefferson Invitational!
January 7, 2000
From: Wrestling Fan
comments: Everybody better watch out for the Braxton County wrestlers
they are looking great this year. They have many good wrestlers
that have improved from last year. Also they have a couple of Freshman
that are doing real well too.
January 6, 2000
From: Someone
comments: To the person who wants to change rules for summer camps:
You can go with your kids you just cant instruct them. I think we need to talk about
how we can help your typing skills also. (smile)
January 6, 2000
From: BULLDOG COACH
comments: TO BENT SAMS
BECKLEY STRATTON 155POUNDER IS BACK.AS FOR WHO'S THE BEST JR HIGH TEAM
I FEEL CERTAIN THAT ALL QUESTIONS WILL BE ANSWERED AT W.S.A.Z. ALL COACHES SHOULD MAKE EFFORT
TO GET THIER TEAMS THERE.REMEMBER THE STATE CHAMPIONSHIPS ARE NOT IN DUALS COMPETION.THANKS
ABOUT COMMENTS ON WRESTLERS CONDUCT AT YOUR TOURN. WE ALL KNOW THAT WRESTLING REQUIRES A GREAT
DEAL OF DISCIPLINE! ALL THE PROGRAMS WE HAVE FACED THIS YEAR HAVE FIRST CLASS. I THINK THEY ALL
SHOULD BE COMMEND. GOOD LUCK TO ALL AND GOD BLESS.
COACH
January 6, 2000
From: comment to a commenter
comments: Morello from gw has finally made 119 so you can expect him to raise some h--- this
weekend at Jackson county Invatational as well as some others from Greenbrier west like there
152 & 160 which are both still undefeated. Also there 189 isn't bad.
January 6, 2000
From: smitty
email: smittyc_69@hotmail.com
comments: Does anyone have the results of the High School BNI Tournament?
January 6, 2000
From: scott
comments: Why is it that in region 4 (aaa) only 4 out of 12 go to states while in other regions
4 out of 7 wrestlers get to quailify? 41 (aaa) classified schools should be 3 regions with 10 schools and 1 region with 11.
Then you get a fair chance to qualify for states...
January 6, 2000
comments: Why did u waste all teh time thikng of the Regional stuff that is all garbage who
cares why dotn peopel talk about more realistic things on here Like trying to get the rules
changed for coaches to take ther kids to summer team camps
January 6, 2000
comments: The best matmaid i ever seen is P.D. and they do a hell of a job!!!!!
January 6, 2000
From: observer
comments:
As for the difference between Jr High and Middle School teams. Its more than just having 9th graders against 8th graders.
Our Junior High went from 7-8-9 to 6-7-8. Sixth graders are not able to wrestle. So, its like one third of our
eligible wrestlers disappeared overnight. We went from full squad to hardly any squad in one year. All of you 7-8-9 Junior Highs out there -- make one third of your students disappear and see what kind of team you have.
January 6, 2000
From: Sean
email: junkins@ab.edu
comments: As we approach that time when teams start to switch from AA to AAA and visa versa. I
think it's time the wvssac do some regional realigning.
I used the state tournament results from the last two years to total up the total number of
points per region. I found in AA Regions 1 and 3 are much stronger than Region 2 and 4. So here
I lined up a new alignment which makes the regions more equal.
*** 1st () = points in 99 St. Tourn. 2nd ()= points in 98 St. Tourn
|
Region I Madonna(1)(16) Weir(75)(55) Oak Glen(218)(213) Magnolia(7)(6) Tyler Cons.(38)(20) St Mary's (30)(16) Bishop Don(25)(40) Liberty Harrison(14.5)(AAA) South Harrison(28)(42.5) Total Pts 98= 408.5 Total Pts 99= 436.5 |
Region II Berk SPrings(67.5)(55.5) Frankfort(49.5)(64) WV Deaf/Blind(0)(0) Petersburg(49.5)(70) Cameron(126.5)(140.5) Philip barbour(AAA)(AAA) Webster Co(5)(18) Calhoun Co.(90)(89) Clay battelle(24)(7) Total Pts in 98= 444 Total Pts in 99= 412 |
Region III Williamstown(122)(74) Ritchie(147.5)(108) Wirt(98.5)(161.5) Ravenswood(89.5)(76.5) Winfield(26)(53) Buff-Putnam(0)(0) Meadow Brg.(5)(3) Fayettesville(0)(25) Sissonville(1)(27) Midland Trail(0)(8) Wahama(new team) pts in 98= 536 pts in 99= 489.5 |
Region IV Braxton(29)(34.5) Gr. West(45)(39) Shady Spring(35)(AAA) Oak Hill(AAA)(AAA) Independence(27(66) Liberty Raleigh(77.5)(41) Wyo East(0)(no team) Big Creek(55)(15.5) Iaegar(1)(27) Clay(20)(0) Richwood(22)(1) Pts in 98= 224 pts in 99= 311.5 |
January 6, 2000
From: Sean
comments: you know i'm not even involved in this but it's getting ridiculous. When I first
started wrestling as a sophomore I accidentally called Talon a "matmaid" of course I was
quickly correctly she is a mat statistician. So I asked what is a mat maid then? She
replied Someone who cleans up blood. In her defintion of the word that is a matmaid.
But to Parkersburg South the Matmaids do more than keep stats. So therefore you cannot
logically refer to them all as mat statisticians. They have numerous folks who do many tasks.
SO they collectively refer to themselves as a group. "the matmaids". I had no idea how these
P Burg South folks operated until i stayed next door to them at states last year. They
definetly are not cheerleaders but more boosters who don't just root them on but aid in their
attainment of achieving success within the sport.
Thanks
Sean
January 6, 2000
From: Jim LeMaster
comments: In response to the ALL CAPS COMMENTS from South Wrestling Fan. I guess there are
all sorts of viewpoints on the Jr. High vs Middle School controversy. I agree that the whole
state needs to be one or the other. Poor Kanawha county is half middle and half Jr. High. No
one is complaining that we want our ninth graders back. Until you are ready to send a high
school team against one that also has college freshmen have some empathy for the 12 year old
seventh grade boys that wrestle 16 year old freshmen. That's no different from an 8 year old vs
a 12 year old right? Can you see the point? All the middle schools want is an even playing
field. Besides the obvious age and maturity differences there is the huge advantage of the
atmosphere and competition of a high school practice room as opposed to a middle school one.
(if they are lucky enough to even have a room to practice in ). In order to have a fair
comparison it must be 7-8-9 vs 7-8-9. In addition freshman teams often have to forfeit the lower weight classes as they have no little guys and middle school
heavyweights are most often 200 lbs and under while freshman heavies are often approaching the
limit. Simple suggestion leading to fewer forfeits better competion more balance more
excitment more interest more participation better sport. How can anyone argue with that?
January 6, 2000
From: SOUTH WRESTLING FAN
comments: TO THE PERSON WHO WROTE ON BEHALF OF HARPERS FERRY SCHEDULE. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW
HOW YOU MANAGE TO PUT 43 DUALS AND SIX TOURNAMENT IN A 14 WEIGH-IN SYSTEM. REMEBER DUALS
TRIANGULARS AND QUADS COUNT AS ONE WEIGH-IN AND TOURNAMENTS COUNT AS TWO WEIGH-INS. IF YOU
CAN POST YOUR SCHEDULE ID LIKE TO COME WATCH YOU WRESTLE.